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Change "county" to "country" in the 3rd sentence of "Position toward China" SteijnBol (talk) 12:37, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
Why is there no critical section in the article in relation to the theology, and other teachings, of Pope Francis?
[edit]Why is there no critical section in the article in relation to the theology, and other teachings, of Pope Francis - he is certainly not without critics in the Roman Catholic Church, these critics may be wrong - but to ignore them is not correct for what is supposed to be a reference article. Presently the article reads like a Public Relations handout - even stressing the "humility" of the subject of the article. This sort of praise is very much a matter of opinion. 2A02:C7C:E1BA:CE00:DDF1:C189:C89A:5C03 (talk) 11:32, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- I think editors are often just busy! You should write it! Middle Mac CJM (talk) 14:57, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- Remember also that per Wikipedia:Criticism "criticism" and "controversies" or the like are not favored headings. These sorts of things are better handled according to subject matter not point of view -- in other words a section of Francis' view of theology would also describe notable critiques. JArthur1984 (talk) 16:31, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
Pope Franics 2024 picture
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could you update picture of pope Francis. JNOJ1423 (talk) 00:57, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- I would definitely say the picture needs an update, his holiness has been looking a lot more frail over the last year Pikachubob3 (talk) 12:21, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Agree. I like this photo, or we can revert back to him waving at the camera while on his trip to South Korea in 2014/15. BRELMAAJ2024 (talk) 05:25, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
- Nvm forgot it. JNOJ1423 (talk) 19:51, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
- Agree. I like this photo, or we can revert back to him waving at the camera while on his trip to South Korea in 2014/15. BRELMAAJ2024 (talk) 05:25, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
- I prefer the current one. GoldenBootWizard276 (talk) 07:40, 24 February 2025 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 24 December 2024
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Remove redundant text under International Diplomatic Role -> Russia and Ukraine. The article contains the following: Later, he described Ukraine as "martyred" and prayed for the victims of Russian aggression, but still did not directly criticize Putin or the Russian government.[493] but still avoided direct criticism of Putin or the Russian government.[494]
The second sentence is a restatement of the first and is unnecessary, one can just keep the first sentence and have two citations. SunGodAteMyChildren (talk) 15:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
Done - thank you and merry Christmas! ObserveOwl 🎄 (talk) 16:16, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
My edit
[edit]Greetings and felicitations. I just made a significant edit to the article. Please let me know if there's something about that edit that you would like to discuss. —DocWatson42 (talk) 23:21, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
Mention him being a bouncer, chemist or previous pneumonia
[edit]Before a trim by @Nikimaria (the other changes I support), the page used to include this:
"worked for a time as a bouncer and a janitor before training to become a chemist and working as a technician in a food science laboratory. After recovering from a severe case of pneumonia and cysts, he was inspired to join the Jesuits in 1958"
I think the article should include that he worked as a bouncer (because it is interesting, not something people think a recent pope did), and the previous pneumonia (because he is suffering now from pneumonia). I understand my reasons aren't the strongest which is why i didn't revert but I did want to start a discussion about it. Rolluik (talk) 18:57, 21 February 2025 (UTC)
- This information is already shared elsewhere in the article, so I think we're good. ~ Pbritti (talk) 19:01, 21 February 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, I have just seen it in the Early life section. This topic can be closed. Thank you and thanks to Nikkimaria. Rolluik (talk) 19:10, 21 February 2025 (UTC)
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Was. Not is 2600:1702:74A1:CB60:DDAA:A51E:C9CC:136F (talk) 15:57, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —Eyer (he/him) If you reply, add
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Current event Template
[edit]Should we add a current event template to this article, considering the latest news is that the pope's health is 'critical'? GoodDay (talk) 19:09, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
- Not if he's lounging in an armchair, no. kencf0618 (talk) 20:02, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
- "lounging in an armchair" is a bit of an understatement, but i agree that we should hold off on the template. ... sawyer * any/all * talk 21:37, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
- The Vatican has historically not been very forthcoming about the health of Popes. And considering that he is in critical condition and therefore in danger of death, saying he's lounging in an armchair is a gross understatement. I believe marking this as a current event would be appropriate at this point. MrJ567 (talk) 01:38, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
- As per the the 40-minute press conference, Pope Francis is not "in danger of death", but is not "out of danger"; furthermore, he is not attached to ventilator and is expected to be hospitalized at least for the entirety of next week. That was 21 February 2025, 18:56 CET (UTC+1), i.e. yesterday, and he was in an armchair today, so... kencf0618 (talk) 02:50, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
- That conference is outdated and took place prior to him falling into critical condition. Your description of his situation was a gross understatement; have the humility to recognize when you're wrong. MrJ567 (talk) 03:39, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
- As per the the 40-minute press conference, Pope Francis is not "in danger of death", but is not "out of danger"; furthermore, he is not attached to ventilator and is expected to be hospitalized at least for the entirety of next week. That was 21 February 2025, 18:56 CET (UTC+1), i.e. yesterday, and he was in an armchair today, so... kencf0618 (talk) 02:50, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
- He's been "lounging in an armchair" for the past few years. He's a nearly 90-year-old man with double pneumonia and a pre-existing lung condition. There's a fairly high chance that he'll die in the next few days. That said, I'm not sure if adding a "Current event" template is appropriate yet; we're not exactly going to be getting hourly updates from the Vatican. Ships & Space(Edits) 02:21, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
"The Vatican said the 88-year-old was alert and in his armchair, but required a 'high flow of oxygen and his prognosis 'remains guarded'." That's the BBC. He's not on his death bed yet, and WP:CRYSTALBALL. kencf0618 (talk) 02:35, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
- Shubhayanb85 added {{current person}}, but I have now removed it. We only need to add the template if the article is being heavily edited (i.e. dozens of edits per hour) due to some rapidly changing situation, and that is not happening on this article at the moment. Mz7 (talk) 11:03, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
In agreement with others. No need for such a template, at this time. GoodDay (talk) 19:17, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
Unless the article is being heavily edited BECAUSE of the health issues or if he passes away, then an appropriate template would be required. --AnotherWeatherEditor (talk) 11:55, 24 February 2025 (UTC)
Name
[edit]How comes in some parts he is listed as Bergolio and in others Francis? Shouldn't it just be Francis? LootLlama7708 (talk) 13:15, 24 February 2025 (UTC)
- I believe that the guideline is to refer to him as Bergoglio when talking about his life before he became Pope, and to refer to him as Francis thereafter. - delta (talk) 13:21, 24 February 2025 (UTC)
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