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Discussion for Today
[edit]- This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025_January_6
January 6
[edit]NEW NOMINATIONS
[edit]Disasters in South America
[edit]- Propose upmerging Category:1730 disasters in South America (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:1730 in South America, Category:1730 disasters, and Category:1730s disasters in South America
- Propose upmerging Category:1737 disasters in South America (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:1737 in South America, Category:1737 disasters, and Category:1730s disasters in South America
- Propose upmerging Category:1746 disasters in South America (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:1746 in South America, Category:1746 disasters, and Category:1740s disasters in South America
- Propose upmerging Category:1751 disasters in South America (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:1751 in South America, Category:1751 disasters, and Category:1750s disasters in South America
- Nominator's rationale: These are the only pre-1800 by-year categories for South America. Given what's known about the history of the continent prior to 1800, I doubt these can ever be filled to a satisfactory level. Several of the post-1800 categories are equally small, but they can hypothetically be filled a little further given time. Grutness...wha? 07:11, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
Category:Leaders of Islamic terror groups
[edit]- Propose renaming: Category:Leaders of Islamic terror groups to Category:Leaders of Islamist militant groups
- Nominator's rationale: Term "Islamic" terror not used by most RSs online and is near-absent in academia. Label would be contestable for most articles in category per WP:LABEL. "Islamist militant groups" is much more prominent term in WP:RSs used to refer to same entities. --OrebroVi (talk) 06:51, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
Category:Canadian federal parliamentary election results by riding
[edit]- Propose renaming: Category:Canadian federal parliamentary election results by riding to Category:Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:1867 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1867 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:1872 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1872 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:1874 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1874 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:1878 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1878 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:1882 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1882 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:1887 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1887 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:1891 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1891 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:1896 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1896 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:1900 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1900 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:1904 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1904 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:1908 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1908 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:1911 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1911 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:1917 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1917 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:1921 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1921 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:1925 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1925 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:1926 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1926 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:1930 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1930 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:1935 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1935 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:1940 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1940 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:1945 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1945 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:1949 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1949 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:1953 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1953 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:1957 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1957 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:1958 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1958 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:1962 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1962 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:1963 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1963 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:1965 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1965 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:1968 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1968 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:1972 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1972 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:1974 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1974 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:1979 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1979 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:1980 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1980 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:1984 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1984 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:1988 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1988 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:1993 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1993 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:1997 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1997 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:2000 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:2000 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:2004 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:2004 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:2006 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:2006 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:2008 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:2008 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:2011 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:2011 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:2015 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:2015 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:2019 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:2019 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:2021 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:2021 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
- Propose renaming: Category:Canadian federal by-election results by riding to Category:Canadian federal by-election results by riding templates
- Nominator's rationale: These are template categories and should be named as such. RedBlueGreen93 06:21, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:41, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
Category:Works set on Mars
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Works set on Mars to Category:Fiction set on Mars
- Nominator's rationale: Same rationale as for the Moon category below (see also Wikipedia_talk:Categories_for_discussion#Works/Fiction_by_setting_(space)). Per my analysis below, this might be restored in the near future once humans land on Mars and we can have non-fiction works documenting this set on Mars. Arguably, if there are notable works (documentaries) about robot (probles) exploration on Mars, this category could be argued to have merit now, but right now it does not have any relevant entries. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:51, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Merge for now per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:49, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
Category:Works set on the Moon
[edit]- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:47, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Works set on the Moon to Category:Fiction set on the Moon
- Nominator's rationale: See my comment at Wikipedia_talk:Categories_for_discussion#Works/Fiction_by_setting_(space). While there are broader issues to consider for the parent trees, this and another category about Mars I'll list seem to be pure duplicates in need of merger. Merging works to fiction is based solely on the fact that the remaining categories with that scope are in 'fiction', not 'works' tree (ex. we have Category:Fiction set on Jupiter and for most other planets, but no Category:Works set on Jupiter etc.), with no comment about whether this is good (see broader issues, discuss at WT:CAT talk linked above). PS. Actually, having spent an hour thinking more about this and writing an analysis in the linked talk page, I'd like to withdraw this proposal. Logic being: humans have landed on the Moon; there may be non-fiction accounts of astronaut activity set on the Moon but would not be fiction. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:50, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Category:Child murder during the Russian invasion of Ukraine
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: borderline cdc. Siblings in Category:Children killed in wars are all Children killed in FOO war SMasonGarrison 04:41, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete, children were not the explicit target, adults were killed to no lesser extent. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:53, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
Colonial and Chief Secretaries / colonial and chief secretaries categories
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Chief Secretaries of Ceylon (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Chief secretaries of Ceylon
- Propose renaming Category:Colonial Secretaries of Sierra Leone (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Colonial secretaries of Sierra Leone
- Propose renaming Category:Colonial Secretaries of Cyprus (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Colonial secretaries of Cyprus
- Propose renaming Category:Colonial Secretaries of Fiji (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Colonial secretaries of Fiji
- Propose renaming Category:Colonial Secretaries of Gibraltar (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Colonial secretaries of Gibraltar
- Propose renaming Category:Chief Secretaries of the Gold Coast (British colony) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Chief secretaries of the Gold Coast (British colony)
- Propose renaming Category:Chief Secretaries for Ireland (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Chief secretaries for Ireland
- Propose renaming Category:Chief Secretaries of Kenya (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Chief secretaries of Kenya
- Propose renaming Category:Colonial Secretaries of Mauritius (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Colonial secretaries of Mauritius
- Propose renaming Category:Colonial Secretaries of New South Wales (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Colonial secretaries of New South Wales
- Propose renaming Category:Colonial Secretaries of New Zealand (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Colonial secretaries of New Zealand
- Propose renaming Category:Chief Secretaries of Nigeria (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Chief secretaries of Nigeria
- Propose renaming Category:Chief Secretaries of Northern Rhodesia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Chief secretaries of Northern Rhodesia
- Propose renaming Category:Chief Secretaries of Palestine (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Chief secretaries of Palestine
- Propose renaming Category:Chief Secretaries of Singapore (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Chief secretaries of Singapore
- Propose renaming Category:Colonial Secretaries of Tasmania (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Colonial secretaries of Tasmania
- Propose renaming Category:Chief Secretaries of Transjordan (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Chief secretaries of Transjordan
- Propose renaming Category:Colonial Secretaries of Western Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Colonial secretaries of Western Australia
- Propose renaming Category:Colonial Secretaries of Prince Edward Island (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Colonial secretaries of Prince Edward Island
- Propose renaming Category:Colonial Secretaries of Newfoundland (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Colonial secretaries of Newfoundland
- Propose renaming Category:Colonial Secretaries of Bermuda (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Colonial secretaries of Bermuda
- Propose renaming Category:Colonial Secretaries of Barbados (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Colonial secretaries of Barbados
- Propose renaming Category:Colonial Secretaries of the Bahamas (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Colonial secretaries of the Bahamas
- Propose renaming Category:Chief Secretaries of British Guiana (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Chief secretaries of British Guiana
- Propose renaming Category:Provincial Mayors of Cusco Province (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Provincial mayors of Cusco province
- Nominator's rationale: Per MOS:JOBTITLES, we do not capitalize plural forms. These were opposed at speedy, so I am starting a full discussion. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:55, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:55, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
Members of the Australian House of Representatives by term
[edit]- Propose deleting Category:Members of the Australian House of Representatives by term
- Nominator's rationale: Not a defining category and these categories result in career politicians having far too many cats that indicate essentially the same thing. Traumnovelle (talk) 03:08, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Traumnovelle: Are you proposing the deletion of all its subcategories as well? If so, they should be tagged. jlwoodwa (talk) 04:11, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Correct. It seemed easier to list the parent than listing 50 categories. Traumnovelle (talk) 04:30, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- They might not all need to be listed here, but they should all have the {{subst:cfd}} template placed on them. I used User:Qwerfjkl/scripts/massXFD to quickly tag all the subcategories. jlwoodwa (talk) 06:22, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Correct. It seemed easier to list the parent than listing 50 categories. Traumnovelle (talk) 04:30, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Traumnovelle: Are you proposing the deletion of all its subcategories as well? If so, they should be tagged. jlwoodwa (talk) 04:11, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Commonly used category structure (see Category:Legislators by term). Nothing unique about Australian politicians that make them an exception. Diffuses otherwise overpopulated categories within Category:Politicians by century and nationality. If preferred, I wouldn't be against the creation of categories such as Category:20th-century members of the Australian House of Representatives and upmerging into this. That is how American legislators are sorted. Jevansen (talk) 04:59, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Jevansen: Just because other stuff exists doesn't mean this gets to. Heck, the issues with these categories mean that the Category:Legislators by term subcats may have to be brought here. ミラP@Miraclepine 23:27, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Not sure that applies to categories. Jevansen (talk) 01:59, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Jevansen: Even if I didn't miss it (which I of course did), there are still times where the principles are functionally the same, and in this case this is so. ミラP@Miraclepine 03:31, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Not sure that applies to categories. Jevansen (talk) 01:59, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Merge all to Category:Members of the Australian House of Representatives, this is a ridiculous sort of overcategorization. That applies to every other country as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:02, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Merge all to century-wide subcategories of Category:Members of the Australian House of Representatives and, like I said before, see to it we do the same to all the subcats in Category:Legislators by term. Other stuff exists, after all. ミラP@Miraclepine 23:27, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - National legislators is one of only a few topics for which there is inherent notability. As a result they are popular amongst editors looking to create new articles and virtually every country, even non-English speaking countries, has several hundred, if not thousands, of national legislator articles. Removing sub-categorisation by term will result in extremely large categories which are difficult to navigate. WP:DIFFUSE allows large categories to be broken down into smaller, more specific subcategories. For legislators the most obvious way to create smaller, more manageable categories is to diffuse by term. Diffusing by century won't help as this only creates two/three sub-categories which would all undoubtedly be overpopulated - I wouldn't be surprised if Category:21st-century members of the Australian House of Representatives contains more than a thousand articles already and we are only a quarter of the way through this century.--Obi2canibe (talk) 14:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- There could be better ways to break it down such as by state, but having up to 10 categories on a page that encapsulate essentially the same thing is overcategorisation and what led me here. Traumnovelle (talk) 19:38, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- That's an extreme example. It's like using the categorisation of Elizabeth II as an reason to delete Category:Heads of state by country and its sub-categories; or the categorisation of Barack Obama as an reason to delete Category:American people by descent and its sub-categories. The large majority of legislators aren't included in more than a handful of legislators by term categories. We shouldn't be destroying a sensible and useful categorisation structure based on extreme examples.--Obi2canibe (talk) 16:35, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- The reason I nominated this because 8 categories were added to a politician I had watchlisted, which is just over categorisation. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:35, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- That's an extreme example. It's like using the categorisation of Elizabeth II as an reason to delete Category:Heads of state by country and its sub-categories; or the categorisation of Barack Obama as an reason to delete Category:American people by descent and its sub-categories. The large majority of legislators aren't included in more than a handful of legislators by term categories. We shouldn't be destroying a sensible and useful categorisation structure based on extreme examples.--Obi2canibe (talk) 16:35, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NotAGenious (talk) 16:12, 28 December 2024 (UTC)- @Obi2canibe: Yeah, concur with Traumnovelle the by-state categories should cover it, and the {{Automatic category TOC}} even far more so. ミラP@Miraclepine 03:10, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:British Honduras women activists
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:British Honduras women activists to Category:British Honduras activists
- Nominator's rationale: Can we repurpose this category into the ungendered parent category? I don't see a possibility of British Honduras women activists being sufficiently populated, but maybe British Honduras activists could? Right now there's only Vivian Seay in it. SMasonGarrison 18:21, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, I have added two more articles to the category, but admittedly the category can be populated even better when it would become gender neutral. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:39, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: As with activists from other countries, it is useful to be able to categorize those who are women.--Ipigott (talk) 08:25, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Rename Create the parent category first. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:02, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: More participation needed to form consensus
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Category:Flash television shows
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Flash television shows to Category:Flash animated television series
- Nominator's rationale: Better title for the category, to match with its subcategories. 2803:C600:8101:80DD:BC28:5B0:38B5:F109 (talk) 14:26, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:05, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Flash animation television shows per Flash animation. This also should remove potential ambiguity with animated shows featuring the the Flash. The parent Category:Flash cartoons, should be speedy renamed to Category:Flash animation, as well. - jc37 22:59, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom --Lenticel (talk) 12:02, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Flash animated television shows. I'm not convinced that Jc37's zero-derived adjective phrase is anything but awkward. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:32, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Flash animation is the name of the article, and the name of the process. This is little different than saying "television shows" instead of "televised shows". - jc37 00:43, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- I am equally fine with Category:Flash animated television shows. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:52, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Needs clearer consensus on rename target, but there is definitely consensus to rename somewhere.
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- Rename to Category:Flash animated television series. All the subcategories use (1) "animated", not "animation" and (2) "series", not "shows". - The Bushranger One ping only 04:02, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
Category:Indigenous leaders of the Americas
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: rename, consistent with Category:Indigenous leaders in Canada and Category:Indigenous leaders in South America and more correct grammar. "Of" may suggest that they were leaders of the entirety of the Americas, which was not the case. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:11, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Thanks for doing the legwork. I'm neutral on "of" versus "in", but I do think it's worth noting that the norm is "Category:Indigenous people of the Americas", and that the rest of the categories in Category:Indigenous people of the Americas by occupation, resemble category:Indigenous musicians of the Americas. SMasonGarrison 21:21, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - of makes more sense to me, and as mentioned it fits the category tree. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:02, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Peggy Jay family
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Peggy Jay family to Category:Jay-Garnett family
- Nominator's rationale: procedural nominaton, this was opposed at speedy because there was no speedy criterion applicable. Nom's rationale was: "To better summarise the contents as the family is wider than just direct relatives of Peggy Jay." I have no opinion about the proposal myself. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- If this is changed as such, it should be Category:Jay–Garnett family with an en-dash, since this is not a hyphenated name. If "Peggy Jay" is kept, it should be Category:Family of Peggy Jay. Mike Selinker (talk) 08:23, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Morozov family (merchants)
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Morozov family (merchants) to Category:Morozov family
- Nominator's rationale: Everybody with the last name Morozov on Wikipedia is in this category and listed on Morozovs. There are apparently more on the Russian Wikipedia, but that shouldn't guide us here. Mike Selinker (talk) 02:27, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- There are two different and unrelated Morozov families. One is a boyar family, the other is a merchant family. They should not be merged into one. Otherwise, it may cause unnecessary confusion. Aronlee90 (talk) 05:33, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, Feodosia Morozova does not belong to this family. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:27, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Assassination of George Tiller
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Redundant. This category represents a single topic that's covered in the article Murder of George Tiller, and the pages in this category are already linked from that article. Brian Kendig (talk) 01:56, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
Category:20th-century deputy heads of government of Liechtenstein
[edit]- Propose splitting Category:20th-century deputy heads of government of Liechtenstein to Category:20th-century government ministers of Liechtenstein and Category:Deputy prime ministers of Liechtenstein
- Propose splitting Category:21st-century Liechtenstein government councillors to Category:21st-century Liechtenstein politicians and Category:Government ministers of Liechtenstein
- Nominator's rationale: Dual merge for now. There's no need to diffuse the parent category to this degree. SMasonGarrison 00:07, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose: I disagree. Government ministers are a very notable role within Liechtenstein and should have their own century categories. There is also enough people with this role (page created or not) to warrant it's existence. Deputy heads of government, while technically a government minister, is also an entirely different role. TheBritinator (talk) 00:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Did I say anything about notability? I said that there's no need to diffuse this category by century. We don't keep categories around just because the pages might exist. SMasonGarrison 00:33, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Again, I disagree. There is more than enough people to warrant it being split by century. It being split this way also makes for much simpler navigation. TheBritinator (talk) 00:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Furthermore, I based my decision making for these categories similar to that of Category:20th-century vice presidents of the United States, for example. Why is this acceptable while mine is not? They serve the same purpose. TheBritinator (talk) 01:25, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Again, I disagree. There is more than enough people to warrant it being split by century. It being split this way also makes for much simpler navigation. TheBritinator (talk) 00:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Did I say anything about notability? I said that there's no need to diffuse this category by century. We don't keep categories around just because the pages might exist. SMasonGarrison 00:33, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose: I disagree. Government ministers are a very notable role within Liechtenstein and should have their own century categories. There is also enough people with this role (page created or not) to warrant it's existence. Deputy heads of government, while technically a government minister, is also an entirely different role. TheBritinator (talk) 00:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)